Sunday, January 9, 2011

The Dharma Dilemma

This post is in response to Offstumped's Open letter to RSS chief Shri. Mohan Bhagwatji on the recent Hindu/Hindutva terror confessions. Since the blogger in the past like a true seeker of truth has shifted from one goal post of Integral humanism, White Umbrella, Big Tent blah blah blah to Ambedkar Constitutionalism, the following post in with an assumption that the blogger under question is a staunch Constitutionalist, meaning following the constitution tooth and nail is Dharma. :) I am often left confused when the blogger shifts between various goalposts.

The blogger does raise valid concerns about the manifestation of the so called Hindu terror in the wake of Swami Aseemanand's supposed confession infront of a magistrate. The blogger also realizes the possible mischief behind the selective leak of information for political reasons. But there are glaring loopholes that stand at cross-roads with some of the earlier staunch constitutionalist positions taken by liberal friend Offstumped.

"It is abundantly clear that on more than one ocassion certain individuals swearing by Hindutva have committed Adharma."
The blogger would do great service if he could clarify who these individuals are, what these acts of Adharma were. What's the response of constitutional authorities to such acts of Adharma.

" It doesnt matter how sound a legal argument the Sangh forwards, the battle to win hearts and influence minds is being lost every time the Sangh equivocates and speaks in generalities."
But legal arguments are paramount for a staunch constitutionalist, aren't they? Yes the sangh does speak in generalities when it says terror has no religion. I hope the blogger is referring to the same dilemma of the Sangh, especially that of the BJP.

"Sir there is a new demographic generation that is coming of age in India. This generation is impatient for change and is unbounded in its aspirations. This generation needs leadership and direction. But more importantly this generation sees its aspirations linked to a growing economy."
When did the Sangh say it doesn't want a growing economy? A cursory glance at Indian TV channels can tell how popular astrology has become with people. Even the hep liberal champagne socialites talk about kundali, Rashiphal etc (of course not in open :) ). #justsaying that cultural, religious and economic aspirations are not perpendicular to each other. I visited the world sanskrit book fair a couple of hours back, and it had such overwhelming crowd, dominated by youngsters. Its wrong to make such glaring generalizations that economic aspirations aren't coupled with spiritual, religious aspects.

Now on the task list to Shri. Mohan Bhagwatji
"Acknowledge that Adharma has been committed by some in the name of Hindutva"
Isn't it too early to jump the gun, that the judicial proceedings have not yet really taken shape. Isn't it Adharmic in itself not to wait till the court verdicts before Shri Mohanji could issue a statement?

"Demand Accountability for all such acts of Adharma committed in the name of Hindutva from individuals within the Sangh, organizations loosely affiliated with the Sangh and also in the Courts of Law"
Adharma is Adharma how does it matter if one does it in the name of Hindutva or something else? However its good that the author acknowledges that Hindutva isn't bad but people who use it might be bad from his earlier puerile stance on political hindutva. Sangh is more of an informal set-up with loosely affiliated organizations as the blogger says, so how can one Mr. MB answerable when there is no formal agreement at the first place between various outfits?

"Set a an example and a high bar through a clear and visible public purge of such individuals from all association with the Sangh."
Absolutely, but the Sangh should follow the constitutionalist approach of benefit of doubt, till the individuals are convicted in the court of law. Again a constitutionalist perspective.

"Make the first move towards National Reconciliation with an unwavering commitment despite any political provocations from the Congress"

Have no idea what National reconciliation means!! Who should reconcile with whom?
" The Sangh can play a crucial role in setting the direction and in nurturing these Institutions to produce the modern day equivalent of a 1000 Kautilyas in a Takshashila of the 21st Century."
Absolutely agree the Sangh lacks intellectuals barring a few. But if the blogger had some insights on Kautilya I don't think the blogger would indulge in puerile attacks on Sangh on frivolous issues , which he has been indulging with for a while now, especially with all the love the author has since a 3 year old kid for the Sangh. Don't think a Chanakya would flog institutions he respects with such ease,that too when the law of land hasn't yet taken a stand against suspected individuals and institutions.

"Sir this urgent task of Institution Building cannot be achieved by pursuing street politics and agitations on fears real or imagined that play on Hindu Victimhood."
Where doesn't street politics work? Even the USA recently had its street politics shaking the Republican party. Street politics is more rooted in reality, than phony intellectualism and money bag internet activism. Street politics paves way to power in any democracy. How else can one create public opinion? Its upto the political masters to maintain the momentum gained by street politics to fulfill the aspirations of people. Moreso, how does asking for equal treatment on par with minorities qualify as victimhood? This is classic liberal rhetorical argument to blame the victim for his woes. The logic is no different from the conservative pin heads saying outgoing women invite rape. What if the fears of Hindu society are real?

"It is time Sir these Hindu Institutions have been restored to Hindu Civil Society in a Private Trusteeship model and the Sangh can play an important role in bringing together Hindu Civil Society towards this cause."

Sabr karo Bhayya. Its well know fact that its the BJP at the state level that has failed in fulfilling this promise. Its very obvious now that after repeat betrayal by the BJP, the VHP is looking outside, and its taking the services of Shri. Subramaniam Swamy to free hindu temples from the clutches of state governments.

The blogger would probably do great justice if he could write open letters to Binayak Sen sympathizers, the liberal intellectual lot of Amartya Sen, Arundati Roy who have taken an unconstitutional stance. The erudite blogger should also prevail upon the BJP ruled state governments to free hindu temples and set a precedent for other states to follow. It would surely serve Indian National Interest.

Its quite clear however that the blogger finds it difficult to balance his constitutionalist as well as Dharmic roles. On a side note the movie "The Reader" dwells into similar aspects of constitutionalism and swa-dharma. Such dilemma is so very natural when we mix up western constructs with native constructs to make an awful cocktail.

Monday, March 8, 2010

Internet Hindus

This is in reference to the exchange of emails that I had with noted journalist Ashok Malik regarding his column "When the fringe benefits" on Hindustan times, dated March 07,2010. You can find the link here .

I am reproducing the conversation with the permission of Shri.Ashok Malik.

My email to Shri. Ashok Malik.

Dear Sir,
For long I have been following your articles and I have to say I have always found your crisp analysis apt. But I have to say, that I am not convinced by your article in Hindustan Times "When the Fringe benefits" dated March 07,2010. Please find my objections below.

1. I completely agree that the voice of a perceived internet hindu is becoming increasingly shrill. But does that warrant the net-savvy bloggers and tweeple who take pains to collect evidence to the contrary to be put in the same bin as Shiv Sena and the Taliban?

2. Most right wingers have a streak of passion. Young. Mostly graduate students and many have Ph.D's from reputed institutions. They have carved successful career for themselves. How valid is to portray them as a bunch of loonies?

3. Does filing a petition violate norms of democratic freedom? why should that be perceived as hooliganism? Is it that only journalists have the right to opinion, the general masses don't have?

4. You point to a half-baked online petition and run down a whole set of people who are fighting it out. I am sorry to say this, but there are umpteen number of people who have written reviews exposing Doniger's version of history over the internet. Isn't it well within the democratic right ? Moreover dont you think we need to set some standards in thought and literature?

5. Now regarding MFH, all that the internet hindus were asking was clarification on the interpretation of the nude paintings. If you had the patience to have read the blogs of some of the well know internet hindus, none refuted that indian gods were sculpted nude, unlike the ram sene or bajrang dal. The issue here is of what interpretation one draws from those paintings. An artist paints a work, with a concept with an idea, with a message. what message does a nude sita rubbing against a nude hanuman depict? I am sorry, till now we have got no clarification from any of the freedom of speech activists or the journalists or Mr. MF himself. Please enlighten us on what nude sita on hanuman's tail depict.

6. will you stand up if Doniger's version of Indian history becomes the norm in academic discourse? You must also know that Doniger is least respected even amongst people from her own fraternity. This is not the first time that her book has been in news. Even previously people reacted to the misrepresentations peacefully, democratically as well as intellectually and have been largely succesful in expsoing Doniger's half baked knowledge. Why is it that now there is a voice to curb that right to protest?

7. This is Rajiv Malhotra's rebuttal to Doniger http://rajivmalhotra.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=30:risa-lila-1-wendys-child-syndrome&catid=20:american-education-reform&Itemid=26#10, This one from Swami Tyagananda from RK mission to one of Doniger's graduate student's thesis on Ramakrishna's sexual ways. http://www.infinityfoundation.com/mandala/s_rv/s_rv_tyaga_kali1_frameset.htm There are umpteem number of such expose of Doniger's works over the internet and Sir, all you got is a small petition to crib about?

8. The most lucid and analytic exposure of the women's reservation bill as well as Right to education bill has come from the internet hindus. I haven't found a single critique of any governmental policies from any of the eminent journalists. So i feel its very ill conceived on your part to come to conclusions on the hindu right on the internet as professionally frustrated, bigoted and intellectually inadequate.

Let me elucidate my personal experience. Burkha Dutt and Nidhi Razdan from NDTV made a documentary on Kashmiri Pandits, where in they said "Mosques pleaded with Kashmiri pandits to leave Kashmir", She also gave a socialistic touch saying KP's were rich and muslims poor, the reason for backlash. Nowhere did it figure that it was an Islamic backlash as most KP's describe. All i did was ask them a question in the most dignified way to provide evidence of Mullahs pleading their heart out for KP's to leave Kashmir? End result i was hurled with a bunch of abuses by both Burkha and Nidhi. they called me a right wing loony, mobster etc and blocked me. Isn't it my democratic right to ask? Did i deserve such a tag from 'respectable' journalists? We come from respectable families, so please don't tag us with political opportunists like Ram sene or Bajrang dal, especially the taliban.

I would be very happy to know your views on the same.

I am also posting the links to few of the hindu right blogs that are read the most.

http://www.sandeepweb.com/
http://www.deeshaa.org/
http://www.vijayvaani.com/
http://barbarindians.blogspot.com/
http://realitycheck.wordpress.com/
http://satyameva-jayate.org/

If you will call these blogs as intellectually lacking, I would like to know the precise reason for so. I will be really happy to know your views Sir. I hope this long rant of mine, doesn't further buttress your belief that we are a bunch of talibani loonies. :) No pun intended.

I am copying a friend of mine, who also had some questions to you which i have incorporated in my mail.

Will be eagerly waiting for your response.

Thanks

-Harish




Shri Ashok Malik's reply

Dear Harish,

Thank you for writing. I am responding to your points in order.

1. I do believe the more shrill and abusive Hindu voices approximate Talibanist modes of expression. This is counter-productive and damages those, including many Hindus/right-wingers on Twitter and the Internet, who prefer a reasoned and rational argument.

2. First, I'm sure you'll agree "most", "mostly" and "many" are not exact, evidence-based descriptions. Second, a "streak of passion" cannot be the excuse for abusing people and offering opinionated nonsense produced without due diligence or rigour. If somebody continues to do this, and makes a habit of doing this, he or she must qualify as a loony in my book, irrespective of institutional affiliation.

3. I have not said any of the things you accuse me of. A petition is a perfectly valid democratic device provided it is logical, well-argued, backed by citation and evidence, written in grammatically correct and intelligible language and seeks action commensurate with the supposed misconduct of the person or object that is the target of the petition. The Doniger petition fails on all these counts.

4. I have no problem with critical reviews of Doniger's book. I wrote a critical review of the book (after having read it cover to cover) in November 2009 in the Hindustan Times.However, I am not willing to condone drivel and accept that as a rigorous review.

5. I am not qualified to answering on Husain's behalf; that is his interpretation and he must explain it himself. I am only suggesting that attacking all exhibitions of Husain and hounding a 95-year-old-artist, whatever his faults, makes a free society look ridiculous. As for your point about a need to "set some standards in thought and literature", I'm afraid I don't just disagree but find it abhorrent and dangerous.

6&7. I am very familiar with this and previous works of Doniger. There is much about her work that I disagree with and have written on this theme previously. However, there is a way to contest her and to win the argument. Further, from my understanding of the academic world, no single text or author can become the "norm of academic discourse". Even if this were to happen, the "norm" would need to be contested, not outlawed.

8. You say you "haven't found a single critique of any governmental policies from any of the eminent journalists". Perhaps you haven't looked hard enough.

Sincerely,

Ashok Malik


My response to this email

Dear Sir,

Thanks for your kind reply. Can you please give me the permission to reproduce this conversation in my blog? Since many of our fellow friends were upset with this stereotyping.

I still have some reservations, listed below.

Firstly i would want a clarification on what the 'internet hindu' means. From your reply it seems you are calling those set of hindus who use abusive language and intimidate people.
I am not sure if you know, but i would want tell you how this term 'internet hindu' arised. It was coined by one of the eminent left liberal journalists unable to counter the cogent arguments made by many of the perceived right wing advocates. That's the definition of an internet hindu that we perceive.

1. Sir, internet is a free medium. You should realize it can't be reigned in. It will be the same with the abusive people regardless of their religion. These are to be best ignored. Did they even deserve attention on national newspaper then? Why run down a huge set of sane voices under these abusive figures. Such people will always exist regardless of their religion and political affiliations. Would suggest you to visit some of the left-liberal blogs, one who doesn't agree will be in for all sorts of gaalis. But i still cant agree that comparison to Taliban. Ridiculous to compare bunch of people shouting at their top of their voices to a bunch of blood-sucking, anti-women retards. If such stereotyping of a huge set of hindus continue, may be young people seriously stand a risk to do so. Sample this, a voice of one such perceived internet hindu.
http://mango-man-an-aam-aadmi.blogspot.com/2010/03/why-i-call-my-self-internet-hindu.html
On a side note, suggest you to check blogs,tweets of internet savvy people of other religions, its scary to say the least. Again I would not generalize them and stereotype them either.

2. Point taken.

3. Thanks for clarifying your take on Right to petition. Point taken. Completely agree on that. I assume you only have objections to the draft of the petition not the system of petitioning.

4. Point taken.

5. Here is where i have an issue, when you try to equate people who vandalize museums with the people on internet. I am pretty sure, you know who those foot soldiers are better than we arm-chair critics. Do you think they are on the internet? If that's the definition of an internet hindu, then I think the people who filed petitions would not qualify to this definition. There is an inherent contradiction. would be grateful to you if you clarified.

6&7. Point taken. Lets leave the decision to the courts,authorities and publishers whether to outlaw a book or not. I tend to disagree, when you say no single text or author can become the "norm of academic discourse". But i assume you agree that a particular ideology can become a norm through institutions, as well as 'eminent' authors. I am pretty sure you agree to this fact atleast, because i remember your article on Veer Savarkar and how ideologues from the Congress party erased his memory. Doniger represents the same phenomenon.Thanks to people of the likes of Arun Shourie, Ram Swarup else we would have been secular foot soldiers peddling hatred towards our glorious past and ignorant of our bloody past.

8. Point taken. Agree I jumped the gun. My apologies Sir. The Taliban comparison just got to my head :)

As expected you didn't respond to the heap of abuses that the eminent journalists from the left-liberal media throw at every perceived right-winger over the internet.

As a final note, Internet is the only medium for the well meaning hindu-right to make their voices heard. A sincere request please stay away from such blatant stereotyping and giving undue attention to people who don't deserve one if they exist. Please don't take away my 'right' to be on the internet right. If possible please also write an article on the well meaning right wing bloggers and tweeple .

On a lighter note, we would be very happy if you could spare some precious time of yours and participate on healthy discussions we have on twitter.

Thanks

-Harish

Final reply from Shri. Ashok Malik

Dear Harish,

Please reproduce the conversation on your blog. I'd also like to clarify that I've been using the term "Internet Hindu" in private conversations for quite some time. Sagarika Ghose has arrived at the same term independently.

Sincerely,

Ashok

Key takeaways :
1. Ashok Malik is pretty unclear as to what an internet hindu is since he clubs the goons who protest at Hussain's art galleries and people ranting it out over the internet. Surely her eminence Sagarika ghose didn't call vandals as internet hindus. If so it only confirms our fears that she is a nobrainer.

2. Our voice is being heard, which surely has rattled the MSM both on the right and left, because the credibility of MSM has touched an all time low. Have met many liberals who feel Indian media is dubious. There is also an inherent fear that the intellectual wars will now be fought on internet not TV studios or newspaper editorials.

3. It also exposes the sheer double standards of MSM, mainly when people who oppose stereotyping of muslims (read MNIK support) end up stereotyping a good chunk of well meaning concerned and educated folks, especially when they wear their culture up their sleeve.

4. Apologies to Reality check India but i am gonna shamelessly quote his comment "large number of ex-elite cant stomach fact that children of bankruptcy are better travelled, better read, dominate internet"

Friday, September 18, 2009

"Cattle class" or "donkey class"

What morons these politicos!! Creating such hue and cry over a small cattle class remark. Indian politicians today belong to donkey class if there is one.

Tuesday, September 1, 2009

Dr.Kalam under fire

I came across this utter nonsensical post published by Churumuri calling Dr.Kalam names. Its highly unfortunate that people have lost the art of making logical comments.

http://churumuri.wordpress.com/2009/09/01/what-is-so-sacrosanct-about-a-p-j-abdul-kalam/

Some questions:
What were these scientists doing, when the tests were conducted??
Why is it that reverse-engineering so demeaning?
Why is it a scientist ought to have a Dr Appended to his name??
Why is it that IISC must be the yardstick for "scientific credential" measurement??

At the outset this looks a conspiracy to malign the gem called Kalam born out of professional jealousy. None of these egomaniacal scientists can match the personality of Kalam in inspiring millions of Indians.

Wednesday, August 19, 2009

Where's the room for debate?

Utter nonsense to see someone being kicked for having an alternate point of view. Who's next in line? Arun Shourie for his book on Ambedkar.

The same people who used to cry foul at the "secular" historians for chucking out of debate are acting in the most dictatorial way.

http://www.ndtv.com/news/videos/video_player.php?id=1147507

Monday, July 27, 2009

Bloody Marys Bloody double standards

The loud mouthed bloody mary alias Sagarika Ghose in her latest blog talks of the VIP culture in relation to "Dr.Kalam frisking episode". http://ibnlive.in.com/blogs/sagarikaghose/223/53711/dont-you-know-i-am-a-vip.html

But some how its dissapointing that she hasn't remained her usual self. :P
I expected her to raise kalam's religion as the reason for frisking him. Or is it because Kalam doesn't have any standing in his community? Kalam is more of a Kafir for he reads the Gita, listens to classical music, visits temple. I am sure if a mullah was meted out the same treatment hell would have broken loose in bloody mary's paradise.

Much worse her double standards are well exposed. She doesn't have a single word questioning the "Royal Family" of India and why they are exempt from being "frisked"?

Wednesday, July 22, 2009

Witzel shown the boot

Micheal Witzel, the contemporary "historian", who has fought all the while for the cause of Aryan Invasion Theory is shown the place where he belongs to. Check this link.

http://www.vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplayArticle.aspx?id=715 . Its quite humorous.

I have not read their books, nor do I care to waste my time on those. 2 well researched books, "Eminent Historians" by Arun Shourie and "Aavarana" by S L Byrappa were enough to convince me of the grave injustice done to millions of Indians by the Nehruvian and Marxist academicians. Interestingly these people and their ilks have not produced any scientific data to counter the arguments of Arun Shorie and S L Byrappa. All they have is expletives like "fascist", "hindutva" etc. Typical "Spit and Run" case.

In fact Dr. B.R Ambedkar though not a professional historian, was the first to propound the theory that 1857 war of Indian Independence was nothing more than a Jihadic attempt to establish an Islamic Republic in India in his book Pakistan. Today things are falling in place and there is a clear case for the same. (Read 1857 Jihad by Prof. SheshRao More).

The underlining point is we need to get these "Eminent Historians" to attend more and more conferences and public debates. Defeat them in their own ball game.

One more funny thing to illustrate how illogical these people can get, when I was discussing the issue of manipulation of Indian History a Gandhian friend of mine during a leisurely talk in office , when he had exhausted all expletives against me said "There are always 50% people on both sides of the argument". :P